Transcript courtesy reader Dana Garcia
LAURA INGRAHAM: Our next guest was once a climate alarmist but now says the entire movement is quote a scam: Tom Harris is executive director of the International Climate Science Coalition; he joins me now. Tom, good to see you tonight. Now you actually say the only way to get rid of this is to go after the science of climate change — explain.
TOM HARRIS: Yeah exactly, a lot of people will say well you know, Canada for example puts out so little greenhouse gas emissions that we shouldn’t uh we shouldn’t actually try to reduce it because China has doubled the United States. Well the trouble is people argue that well yes we have to set an example to the world, and we have to be good citizens and all that sort of thing. So they’re using these arguments quite often that China’s doubled the emissions of the U.S. etc, but but the real underlying thing is that there is no climate crisis. you know I was originally an aerospace engineer and I would give speeches and I wrote articles I wrote one in the Ottawa Citizen about comparative planetology how studying the planets helps us understand the Earth better, and I use the example of the runaway greenhouse effect on Venus. I said this could happen on the earth if we don’t reduce carbon dioxide. Well a local professor at Carlton University, professor of geology, he liked my article so much he used it in his course on climate change, but he said to the students but that part about Venus is wrong — what happened on Venus cannot physically happen on the earth and he explained why. Now I thought who is this climate change denier. Well he invited me into his lab and he showed me the geologic history that he and others are finding, and they found no consistent correlation between carbon dioxide and Earth’s temperature. At times CO2 was 1300 percent of today and we were stuck in very cold conditions. So it was all over the board, so I started wondering well maybe he’s right. He exposed me to a lot of people who actually showed me that there are thousands of scientists and here’s a book actually that illustrates that it’s called Climate Change Reconsidered and this is on http://climatechangereconsidered.org/.
There are thousands of references here which talk about the fact that there is no foundation to the climate scare — it’s all based on models that don’t work.
LAURA INGRAHAM: But Tom when you hear you know politicos especially but not just the politicos celebrities, it’s it’s settled, science is settled. Is science ever settled really? I mean except over a time where you really you know what what is H2O, we know what H2O is right, we understand that because this science settled — really quickly…
TOM HARRIS: No in fact it’s a very immature science. In fact we don’t even know whether it’s going to warm or cool in the future. Various people who study the Sun for example Dr Patterson, they show that we’re headed into a grand solar minimum around 2060 and that we’ll see gradual cooling over the next few decades. So the bottom line is we have no clue what’s going to really happen. So the only sensible approach is to get ready for it to make our infrastructure hardened, to use solid dependable sources of energy like coal — this is a piece of coal from eastern Kentucky. And not to turn off our solid reliable energy sources for flimsy wind and solar power. You know you’d laugh, it’s appropriate that I’m based here in Ottawa because right now here in Ottawa, Canada, they’re running a municipal election and it is the most corrupt election I have ever seen they are trying their best to bring in a climate alarmist as mayor. So guess who they put in charge of the four debates they’ve had — climate activists. They have climate activists running the mayor’s debate.
LAURA INGRAHAM: Professor it doesn’t yeah it doesn’t surprise me that this is happening in Canada it’s happening in the United States, and we need real facts to discern what the real truth is here. Professor thank you for this invaluable work that you’re doing.
